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      Paul W

      “He is smooth talking, seduces people into believing he is merely asking questions for his research. Then manipulates them into statements they never intended to make. He sugarcoats his view of them making them feel really admired so that he can co opt them to go after me.

      Sadly, other blogging “so called evangelicals” have come alongside him with motives that only the heavens will reveal. I have my suspicions.

      They supposedly want to make wrongs right and blatantly do it in the wrongest possible way. I thought I came from a shame inflicting culture. Modern day America is making the culture of my youth look like amateurs at that skill.. These are the real bullies of our time

      These bloggers who sit in front of their computer as predators would have had a hay day taking down Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and David and Peter and maybe the Lord himself. The Grand inquisitors are most often in religious robes. Inquisitors always take selective statements to pollute the whole reality and do harm with redacted and edited texts. Their number is legion. They are the Sanballats and Tobiah’s of the day. They wish to destroy the efforts of those who build, and mock them. I’ve had enough of them. I have waited long enough to respond. We will fight them on every lie.”

      – Ravi Zacharias
      From the Blog Post “Enough is Enough”
      Speaking on Steve Baughman – A man who exposed the darkness


      People have all kinds of concepts that they know God, God talks to them. They have fellowship with God. But John says, here’s how you know if they walk in darkness if we practice darkness, we hate and lie and steal, and, and murder and slander and gossip and all of that. And we go on this social media to destroy other people. We are totally lying and not living out the truth because God is light. You cannot have fellowship with God. And can you imagine Jesus blogging or destroying someone? Can you imagine him stealing or lying? Can you imagine it? How can I walk with Him if I’m doing that?

      – Jim Cymbala
      From the Devotional “Walking in the Light”


      Because the nastiness look if it’s people who aren’t Christians, they get on social media. What are you going to expect? You’re going to expect dog eat dog and and and fussing and fighting and anger and and, and whatever just nastiness that that’s to be expected. Jesus said in this world, you’ll have trouble. Satan is the god of this world. So Satan is controlling the people in this world. We’re going to have a satanic outcomes. But listen, someone, three people in the last 10 days said to me, you know, Pastor, what gets me is not that those people are nasty on on social media. It’s supposed to Christian people who have been going to church for years or even decades. They’re the worst. attacking, attacking, attacking, mocking, criticizing, accusing. And they’re believers. Who supposedly if they know their Bible, say God is love.

      – Jim Cymbala
      From the Sermon “A Different and Better New Year”



    • #3770

      I previously posted in another topic, but this is a more poignant thread. Thank you @paul-w for your insight into familiar language used by these men. We are all learning.

      Here we have yet another social media-centric devotional from Jim Cymbala. The @paul-w post above is a perfect example of how preachers will attempt to call out any feedback or questions some sort of “attack from evil forces.” Here, he is categorizing people who post on social media as “nasty, nasty.” Here is a quote from the devotional “A Warning Against Deception.”

      “But to think, because you know the truth, you’re fine when we don’t practice the truth. When you can quote verses but be nasty, nasty. Read what Christians write in social media. I’m told… I don’t check it out. I have enough problems in life. Or how they talk to each other. The meanness, the nastiness. Can anybody picture Jesus doing any of those things? And we’re supposed to be followers of Jesus, but that’s the point. They’re not in the light.”

      Now, I think being nasty is wrong. But is questioning a leader nasty? Would Jesus ever be quoted as saying something nasty? How about to religious leaders who are one thing on the stage and quite another off? Let’s take a look at the words of sinless Jesus.

      (Note: @formerbtmem54 had some great insight in their post which included scriptures from the Message translation. I’ll post in the Message here as well since it’s translated into our modern vernacular, but I encourage you to read it in other translations if you so desire.)

      Matthew 23:1-3:

      Now Jesus turned to address his disciples, along with the crowd that had gathered with them. “The religion scholars and Pharisees are competent teachers in God’s Law. You won’t go wrong in following their teachings on Moses. But be careful about following them. They talk a good line, but they don’t live it. They don’t take it into their hearts and live it out in their behavior. It’s all spit-and-polish veneer.

      Matthew 23:15:

      “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You go halfway around the world to make a convert, but once you get him you make him into a replica of yourselves, double-damned.”

      Matthew 23:25:

      “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You buff the surface of your cups and bowls so they sparkle in the sun, while the insides are maggoty with your greed and gluttony. Stupid Pharisee! Scour the insides, and then the gleaming surface will mean something.

      Matthew 23:27-28:

      “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You’re like manicured grave plots, grass clipped and the flowers bright, but six feet down it’s all rotting bones and worm-eaten flesh. People look at you and think you’re saints, but beneath the skin you’re total frauds.

      Luke 12:1-3:

      By this time the crowd, unwieldy and stepping on each other’s toes, numbered into the thousands. But Jesus’ primary concern was his disciples. He said to them, “Watch yourselves carefully so you don’t get contaminated with Pharisee yeast, Pharisee phoniness. You can’t keep your true self hidden forever; before long you’ll be exposed. You can’t hide behind a religious mask forever; sooner or later the mask will slip and your true face will be known. You can’t whisper one thing in private and preach the opposite in public; the day’s coming when those whispers will be repeated all over town.

      Luke 12:4-5:

      “I’m speaking to you as dear friends. Don’t be bluffed into silence or insincerity by the threats of religious bullies. True, they can kill you, but then what can they do? There’s nothing they can do to your soul, your core being. Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life—body and soul—in his hands.

      The Word of the Lord…

    • #3788

      “This is not a negative message, but this is something that everyone has to be aware of… These people are sold out to sin. But what makes them dangerous is they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. And they’re coming in the guise of a minister or a preacher.”

      Jim Cymbala

      Unfortunately, this could become his epitaph.

    • #3789

      “And the message in the letter was this:  Shut it down. Shut it all down. Shut everything down.

      Get back to the Word. Get back to prayer. Get back to waiting on God. Get back to your wife. Get back to seeking the Lord. And don’t say I can’t afford to shut it down. Because if you don’t shut it down, God will shut it down. …

      He sent the letter. The response wasn’t very good. It was basically:

      “You don’t understand the anointing that I have on me. And you don’t understand what God has raised me up to accomplish in the earth. Shut it down? I’m taking in almost a million dollars a day. How could I shut it down?

      If I’m in the trouble you think I’m in, why is the money coming in? So I’m not shutting anything down. And I want you to know, your word from the Lord is way out in left field.”

      But it wasn’t very long before the televangelist wished he had shut it down. Because when you stop listening, bad things begin to happen. And now his name is an adjective. Imagine, he’s sleeping somewhere tonight. And his name is an adjective in New York City. It is. If you want to talk about somebody fraudulent and immoral and not real, his name is now an adjective in the English language, and he could have been spared it if he just would have listened.

      Isn’t God persistent? I was a lot younger then – a young minister – just learning a lot of things. But I thought to myself, “God, you’re amazing. You’re following this guy and making people call each other and write letters and prophecies.” But what can God do when nobody’s listening?

      In other words, God is speaking, but nobody was listening on the other end.”

      Jim Cymbala
      From the Sermon “The Dangers of Pride In Ministry”

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